RYM 060: Coaching SGLs To Show Up Randomly In Students’ Lives

Showing up for students outside of youth group can seem like an overwhelming task for your Small Group Leaders. But the truth is, when we show up in students lives when we don’t have to—when we show up randomly—it can have a huge impact. On this episode, join some of the Orange Students team for a conversation with youth pastor Katie Matsumoto about coaching SGLs to show up randomly and the potential impact it can have in our students’ lives.

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  • Why is it important to show up in students’ lives randomly? (1:30)
  • Students are good at figuring out what adults have to do and what they don’t have to do. (2:00)
  • “Youth ministry is soil prep and planting seeds.” (2:15)
  • “For students, a digital connection is no less personal than an in-person connection.” (9:00)
  • “Pro tip: Invite a student to attend another student’s event with you.” (13:30)
  • How do we as ministry leaders communicate how important it is to show up randomly to our Small Group Leaders? (14:30)
  • “Showing up randomly is showing up when you don’t have to.” (16:30)
  • “Consistency builds relationships with middle schoolers.” (28:30)
  • “Feeling known and seen individually builds relationships with high schoolers.” (28:30)


Book: Lead Small by Reggie Joiner

Resource: National Youth Workers’ Convention


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CJ is the Managing Editor for XP3 High School at Orange and one of the hosts and producers of Rethinking Youth Ministry, a podcast raising the bar for student leaders everywhere. CJ has been leading small groups for middle school students at North Point Community Church since 2007, which means he’s probably spent more time talking to middle schoolers than adults in his life. He also placed 5th in his 8th grade class field day fun run. CJ and his wife, Teri, live in Alpharetta, Georgia, with their son, Harley, and their robot vacuum, Barbara.


Tom Shefchunas is the Executive Director of Student Strategy at Orange. In this role, he leads the development and strategy for XP3 Middle School and High School curriculum. Previously, Tom was North Point Ministries’ Multi-Campus Director of Transit, their middle school ministry, for 12 years. And before that, he spent 10 years as a high school teacher, coach, and principal. Additionally, he is the co-author of Lead Small with Reggie Joiner. Tom and his wife, Julie, live in Cumming, Georgia, with their three children, Mac, Joey, and Cooper.



Crystal currently leads the XP3 High School initiative at Orange. Before that, she spent 10 years as a high school teacher and student ministry leader, doing everything from leading small groups to speaking to curriculum design. Crystal and her husband, Tom, live in Alpharetta, GA with an ill-tempered chihuahua named Javier.



Katie Matsumoto is a passionate follower of Jesus Christ, and an enthusiastic cheerleader of students seeking to empower the next generation to have a Kingdom impact on the world around them. She has the best job ever — loving and leading students at the church she grew up at, West Valley Christian Church in the San Fernando Valley, north of Los Angeles. Katie is a creative mind, an empathetic heart, and a lifelong learner who looks for the lovely in life, favors colored pens, and will always stop for coffee. She met Jesus as a seven-year-old, recommitted her life at seventeen, and has been on this life adventure with Him ever since!

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Orange Conference 2018