RYM 019 Part 2: Surviving The Constant Competition Between Church And Sports

There are a lot of things competing with youth group attendance, and for many youth leaders, there’s no greater competitor than sports and athletics. Whether it’s travel baseball, swim meets, or soccer tournaments, when our students prioritize sports over church, it feels like we’re losing them. But are we? This week, join Brett Talley, Ashley Bohinc, Stuart Hall, and Dan Scott for part two of this conversation as they discuss their experiences navigating this tension from the perspectives of a parent, coach, player, and youth pastor.

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Most often, youth pastors lose their small group leaders because their kids aren’t coming. (1:30)

What are the tensions coaches and parents struggle with when it comes to the competition between sports and church? (3:00)

What are the tensions that the student athlete struggles with when it comes to the competition between sports and church? (8:00)

There is a difference between religion and developing an authentic faith in the life of a student. (15:00)

Tension allows a kid to grow in their character and integrity. (16:00)

Youth pastors: Record your messages. Make them available for students and parents to access when they can’t attend church. (22:30)

We need to redefine the word “committed” when it comes to our youth ministries. (24:00)

We need to rethink how we measure success. (27:00)

We need to embrace and champion the fact that we have student athletes in our ministries that are a part of multiple activities. (27:30)




Brett is an XP3 Orange Specialist with Orange after spending 11 years in full time ministry. He’s been married to his amazing wife since 2004. They have three amazing and hilarious kids who constantly keep them busy and laughing. He loves baseball, golf and makes amazing turkey melt sandwiches (if he has the time and ingredients, otherwise they’re just average).


Stuart Hall is an influential leader who speaks to thousands of students, leaders, coaches, and parents each year. Stuart has coauthored three books: The Seven Checkpoints: Seven Principles Every Teenager Needs to Know, MAX Q: Developing Students of Influence, and Wired: For a Life of Worship, Leaders Edition. Stuart also laughs incessantly, serves as a volunteer high school varsity girls basketball coach, and loves his wife and three kids.



Dan Scott is the Large Group Director for 252 Basics Group at Orange. He spends most of his time leading a creative team of talented writers that innovate our large group environments. Prior to coming on board at Orange, Dan served as the Elementary Children’s Director at Ada Bible Church. He enjoys traveling around the world coaching children’s ministry leaders and speaking to kids and students. He blogs about life and ministry at danscottblog.com. Dan and his wife Jenna live in Cumming, GA and have four amazing kids: Liam, Ellison, Addison, and Taye.



Ashley Bohinc serves as the Director of Middle School Strategy at Orange, is the co-host of The Think Orange Podcast, and co-authored The Art of Group Talk. She’s worked with students in public education, athletic, and ministry settings since 2005. Ashley is most passionate about resourcing the local church, communicating onstage, developing leaders, working with students, and engaging in world missions. Additionally, she’s the USA Director of Carry 117, a ministry in Ethiopia which focuses on orphan prevention and family preservation by empowering women. In her downtime, you’ll find her watching Friends, cheering on the Cleveland Cavaliers, traveling, reading, or on one of her Fairytale Friday Adventures.

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Orange Conference 2018