As a ministry leader, there’s nothing more daunting than setting out to hire a new staff member. You might wonder: Will I be able to find someone who is a good fit for the role and our team? How long will it take? And, more importantly, how long with they stick around?

In today’s podcast, we get practical as we discuss not only the hiring process but also what you can do to engage and retain each member of your staff.

First up, you’ll hear from Doug Fields, executive director of the HomeWord Center for Youth and Family at Azusa Pacific University, on bringing out the best in those who work with you. Then, guesthost and Orange’s own, Sarah Bragg interviews Sarah Jensen, educator and the Founder of KIPP Memphis Preparatory Elementary, on finding staff who stick around.

Welcome to Episode 58 of the Think Orange Podcast.

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Topic Timeline

Doug Fields on leading like you want to be lead. (4:44)

The real leadership problem is that we’re not good at developing other leaders. (7:29)

Do you want to leave a legacy of one or a legacy of many? (9:47)

Practical steps for developing leaders and bringing out the best in others. (10:45)

Spotlight leadership. (11:40)

Great leaders must give up striving for perfection. (12:46)

You must believe in your team. (15:25)

Bragging on their team is what leaders do. (20:22)

Give out real responsibilities. (23:55)

Facilitate meaningful relationships. (26:12)

Sarah Bragg interviews Sarah Jensen. (27:17)

Sarah Jensen shares her background and current ministry position. (27:50)

Sarah Jensen on developing a process for finding great people. (31:57)

Know your own pitfalls so you can protect yourself from them in the hiring process. (34:20)

Characteristics to look for in people you want to hire. (37:35)

The power of real-time exercises. (38:38)

Invite candidates to interview you as you interview them. (40:22)

How to create a culture where staff want to stay. (42:43)

Make yourself available to your team. (46:58)

If someone is not a good fit, you’re doing them a disservice to offer them a job. (47:52)

Dave and Ashley’s final thoughts. (49:19)

People, Places & Helpful Resources

Featured Guests

Greg Bradford


Sarah is an educator and the founder of KIPP Memphis Preparatory School in Memphis, TN.

Duffy Robbins


Doug Fields is a communicator, author, & consultant. He is the Executive Director of HomeWord’s Center for Youth/Family at Azusa Pacific University, the co-founder of, and the author of more than 50 books. More information about Doug is available at

Quotes from This Episode

Ideas to Influence the Next Generation

Want staff members who stick around? Choose the right staff members.

We know the temptation. You’re in a bind and you just need someone–anyone!–to fill a vital role on your team and now. Slow down. Remind yourself that it’s better to find the right person eventually than the wrong person today. Set your standards and refuse to lower them.

People will grow if you let them.

This all starts by looking for mindset over skill set. With teachable people on your team, all that’s required is a leader who regularly gives them a chance to shine–and who creates an environment where mistakes and even big, colossal flops are okay. By offering responsibility, expressing confidence and giving feedback, you encourage growth at every turn.

Lead like you want to be led.

It really is that simple–the golden rule at its finest. Do you want a leader who gets how you operate and knows what makes you tick? Work to understand your team. Consider the other characteristics you hope for in a leader and begin to work on those areas in yourself. Remember the people on your team are human, just like you. Be gracious, be real and, above all, be available.

Conversation Starters For Your Church

Where do you set the bar for new hires to your team?

How can you shift your leadership style to one with spotlight leadership–where you put the focus and appreciation on other staff members rather than on yourself?

What responsibilities–defined by Doug Fields as work where both the reward and the risks are real–can you delegate this month?

Your Hosts

Dave Adamson, The Think Orange Podcast Host


When he’s not working as a pastor at North Point Ministries in Atlanta, Dave is usually making his family cross their arms, roll their eyes, and tap their feet while he takes “just one more quick photo” on family outings. You’ll also often find him up to his neck in “Jewish stuff” as he researches the cultural context of Jesus for his daily Instagram devotions. Learn more about Dave at

Ashley Bohinc, The Think Orange Podcast Host


Ashley serves as the Director of Middle School Strategy at Orange and the USA Director of Carry 117. She has worked with students in public education, athletic and ministry settings for the last 12 years. She is most passionate about resourcing the local church, communicating on stage, developing leaders, working with students and world missions. In her downtime, you’ll find her watching Friends, cheering on the Cleveland Cavaliers, traveling, reading, or on one of her Fairytale Friday Adventures.

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We hope you’ll join us for next week’s episode. More importantly, we hope that when you think next generation, you think Orange.