Today we hear from two sides of experience on the leadership development spectrum. Our first guest is Geoff Surratt, a ministry veteran with 35 years of experience in growing start-up churches and teams, who shares principles from Jesus’ leadership we can apply to our churches today. Then Brooklyn Lindsey, a youth ministry expert who in the last year launched a church alongside her husband Coy, joins us.

Welcome to Episode 50 of the Think Orange Podcast.

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Topic Timeline

Geoff Surratt talks about leadership development (3:25)

No matter what people say, not everyone is a leader (4:25)

Leadership development doesn’t happen in a classroom (4:42)

Jesus is our example for how to develop leaders (5:10)

Part 1 of interview with Brooklyn Lindsey (6:00)

The importance of knowing your why when you start from scratch (9:34)

Wisdom in leadership (14:15)

How you know it’s time to start something new (15:50)

Asking the question, “What would success be in your life and as a leader in this church?” (17:40)

Things Brooklyn would do again in youth ministry (20:57)

Geoff Surratt talks about how to build a leadership team (23:47)

Things Jesus did to develop leaders:

  • He observed potential leaders (23:53)
  • He handpicked leaders (27:09)
  • He invested in His leaders (31:02)

Part 2 of interview with Brooklyn Lindsey (34:08)

Tips for demonstrating leadership to others (34:12)

What vulnerability looks like practically (34:44)

The number one way you can serve those who lead in your church (36:00)

Dave’s final thoughts (43:02)

People, Places & Helpful Resources

Featured Guests

Greg Bradford


Geoff Surratt helps churches across the country in strategic planning, teaching and staff development. Geoff previously was the Managing Director of Exponential, led the church planting and multisite ministry of Saddleback Church and served Seacoast Church as Executive Pastor overseeing their 13 campuses.

Duffy Robbins


Brooklyn recently founded The Justice Movement, a church youth movement that helps teenagers help others. Her priority is to inspire and resource youth to break cycles of poverty through faith in action. An ordained pastor, Brooklyn has served in full-time youth ministry for the last 16 years, authored numerous books, contributes and communicates for Orange Leaders, and speaks at camps and conferences. She, her husband Coy, and daughters Kirra and Mya live in Lakeland, FL where they like being outside, playing with their dog, Marley.

Quotes from This Episode

Ideas to Influence the Next Generation

As you build or add leaders to your team, you may feel some tension. That’s okay. In fact, much of the leadership development process is pushed forward—not thwarted—by tension. You might wonder about things like timing, job descriptions, and how to move people from where they’re at to the place God created them to be. As you look around your church or community, here are some tensions you may need to manage.

It’s okay to start small, but don’t start alone.

Brooklyn shared that when she and her husband, Coy, launched SOMOS Church, they had a list of 170 people who had expressed interest in a new kind of church. Every great idea starts somewhere, and it often starts small. Whether it’s launching a ministry or choosing a new team member, ask for the wisdom and input of other leaders and stakeholders.

There’s only one of you.

As you dream about the reach you want your church or organization to have, you’ll have to think about how to scale the reach of your leadership as well. After all, once you take care of day-to-day tasks, spend time with your family, and, oh yeah, sleep, you’ll only have so many hours a week left to invest in other leaders. As you identify the core group of leaders you’ll personally develop, encourage them to do the same.

Conversation Starters For Your Church

Who is someone you would say has helped you develop as a leader? What are some things you especially appreciate about that person?

What are the top 3 qualities you look for in a leader?

Make a list of 3–5 people you are focused on developing as leaders. Then consider the following:

  • How did you identify them as leaders?

  • What do you see as their next step into leadership?

  • Would that step be best taken with you or another leader?

  • If someone else would help to expand their leadership journey, who is it?

aWhat’s a leadership obstacle you or your leadership team is facing right now? Is there something God wants to show you about Himself as you manage this hurdle? If so, what might it be?

Your Hosts

Dave Adamson, The Think Orange Podcast Host


When he’s not working as a pastor at North Point Ministries in Atlanta, Dave is usually making his family cross their arms, roll their eyes, and tap their feet while he takes “just one more quick photo” on family outings. You’ll also often find him up to his neck in “Jewish stuff” as he researches the cultural context of Jesus for his daily Instagram devotions. Learn more about Dave at

Ashley Bohinc, The Think Orange Podcast Host


Ashley serves as the Director of Middle School Strategy at Orange and the USA Director of Carry 117. She has worked with students in public education, athletic and ministry settings for the last 12 years. She is most passionate about resourcing the local church, communicating on stage, developing leaders, working with students and world missions. In her downtime, you’ll find her watching Friends, cheering on the Cleveland Cavaliers, traveling, reading, or on one of her Fairytale Friday Adventures.

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