Today on a very special edition of the Think Orange Podcast, we sit down with Louie Giglio to talk about his latest books Goliath Must Fall and Indescribable. Through the conversation, we discover that the key to defeating our own Goliaths is to no longer see ourselves as David. Instead, we must keep our eyes on Jesus, the one and only giant-slayer.

Welcome to Episode 49 of the Think Orange Podcast.

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Topic Timeline

Interview with Louie Giglio (5:57)

Louie’s background in ministry (6:25)

Description of “Goliaths” leaders face in ministry (8:57)

Overcoming the giant of Approval (12:00)

Moving from looking for approval to living from a place of approval (19:50)

Why Goliath must fall (22:22)

Our giants are dead, but they can still be deadly (28:20)

We’ve got to remember there is a finished work of Jesus (32:11)

Focusing on the truth found in Psalm 23 changes our focus from staring down our giants to looking to the Shepherd (35:00)

What’s on Louie Giglio’s playlist (39:19)

Louie sings a little James Taylor for us (41:36)

Dave and Louie talk about their shared experience at Hillsong Australia, and about Louie’s new kid’s devotional, Indescribable (42:14)

Dave and Ashley’s final thoughts (47:08)

People, Places & Helpful Resources

Featured Guests


Louie Giglio is Pastor of Passion City Church and the Founder of the Passion movement, which exists to call a generation to leverage their lives for the fame of Jesus.

Since 1997, Passion has gathered collegiate-aged young people in events across the US and around the world. Notably, in 2017, more than 55,000 students gathered for Passion 2017 in Atlanta’s Georgia Dome for one of the largest Jesus-focused collegiate events in history.

Each year, Passion continues to see 18-25 year olds fill venues across the nation in pursuit of lives lived for God’s glory.

In addition to the collegiate gatherings of Passion Conferences, Louie and his wife Shelley lead the teams at Passion City Church, sixstepsrecords and the Passion Global Institute.

Louie is the author of national-bestseller Goliath Must Fall, The Comeback, The Air I Breathe, I Am Not But I Know I Am, and Indescribable: 100 Devotions About God & Science, his first children’s book.

Louie and Shelley make their home in Atlanta, Georgia.

Quotes from This Episode

Ideas to Influence the Next Generation

Child psychologists and researchers report that anxiety and stress in today’s kids and teens is on the rise. All too often, students carry the weight of these feelings around with them because they think it’s normal—that everyone feels the same pressures they do. Many have made the phrase “I’ve got this!” their mantra and are attempting to handle pitfalls and obstacles on their own.

But God never meant for them—or us!—to be the heroes of our stories. For every giant of fear, doubt, or insecurity, the kids and students in your ministry face, He’s already won the victory. As leaders, we can welcome them into a reality where Jesus has already slain their giants. And we can start telling them that story this Easter.

Conversation Starters For Your Church

What are some reasons people might choose to view themselves as David in the story, rather than recognizing Jesus as the victor?

What’s your Goliath—the habit or thought pattern that’s limiting your ability to experience freedom in Christ?

What would your life look like a year from now if you chose to face your giant today?

Your Hosts

Dave Adamson, The Think Orange Podcast Host


When he’s not working as a pastor at North Point Ministries in Atlanta, Dave is usually making his family cross their arms, roll their eyes, and tap their feet while he takes “just one more quick photo” on family outings. You’ll also often find him up to his neck in “Jewish stuff” as he researches the cultural context of Jesus for his daily Instagram devotions. Learn more about Dave at

Ashley Bohinc, The Think Orange Podcast Host


Ashley serves as the Director of Middle School Strategy at Orange and the USA Director of Carry 117. She has worked with students in public education, athletic and ministry settings for the last 12 years. She is most passionate about resourcing the local church, communicating on stage, developing leaders, working with students and world missions. In her downtime, you’ll find her watching Friends, cheering on the Cleveland Cavaliers, traveling, reading, or on one of her Fairytale Friday Adventures.

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