We all have things we’re afraid of. Some of those fears stay on the surface and are easy to talk about—like our host Dave’s fear of spiders. But many of us wrestle with fears that lie deeper within. We find ourselves asking questions like, “What if I try and fail?” “What if I’m not good enough?” or, “What if God doesn’t care about the pain I feel?”

On Episode 22 of the Think Orange Podcast, our guests Ryan Leak and Carlos Whittaker talk about what it takes to face our fears, chase failure, and uncover the lies we allow to plague our lives.

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Topic Timeline

Dave introduces our producer Kevin (1:00)

Dave sets up the ideas of fear and failure (2:54)

Ryan Leak talks about chasing failure (6:03)

Why God commands us to be strong and courageous (7:01)

Ryan tells a story about when he tried out for the NBA (7:30)

Dare every student to do something impossible and help every kid finish strong (13:50)

What would your family ministry look like if you really believed God was with you wherever you went? (14:53)

Dave interviews Carlos Whittaker (15:44)

Carlos explains the concept of his upcoming book Kill the Spider (17:36)

Definition of a “spider”—an agreement you’ve made with a lie (20:01)

Not all “cobwebs”—or symptoms of an issue—are obvious (23:01)

When you uncover one lie you believe, you may uncover several (24:40)

If you want to uncover the lies in your life, you’ll need to slow down (26:57)

General differences men and women experience when it comes to addiction, behavior, and issue-driven symptoms (32:28)

Fear of missing out (FOMO) is huge in our culture, but it does nothing more than give birth to even more lies (37:06)

How to preorder Carlos’ book Kill the Spider (41:01)

Dave and Kevin’s final thoughts (42:47)

People, Places & Helpful Resources

Featured Guests

Ryan Leak


Ryan is a husband to Amanda and dad to Jaxson. After that, he’s an author, filmmaker, and speaker. He’s known as an ultimate risk taker from his two documentaries: The Surprise Wedding and Chasing Failure. Ryan proposed to his wife and married her on the same day, having planned their wedding in secret for two years. That documentary went viral in 2013 and the Leaks have been featured on Good Morning America, The Today Show, The Queen Latifah Show, and many other various media outlets. Ryan and his family reside in Dallas, TX and serve on staff at Covenant Church.

Carlos Whittaker


Carlos Whittaker is a People’s Choice Award winner, a former recording artist signed to a major label, a social media maven, and currently spends the majority of his time writing books and speaking on stages around the world. It really began when the Whittaker’s found their family in America’s spotlight with appearances on shows like CBS Early Morning, The Today Show and more when their viral video “Single Ladies Devastation” went viral. But for Carlos, his wife Heather and their three children, this viral moment was just a snapshot of the bigger picture.

Quotes from This Episode

Ideas to Influence the Next Generation

Deal with your own fears.

If you want to be an effective leader, you first have to deal with your own view of failure and the fears you allow to hold you back. Maybe that means going on a retreat like Carlos talked about—setting aside concentrated time to focus on these issues. Or maybe it’s time to set up a meeting with a counselor—inviting an outside, objective perspective into your life.

 Invite others to uncover their fears.

Fear is universal. It doesn’t look the same for everyone, and some people might be more aware of their fears than others, but every single person inside and outside your church struggles with fear of some sort. As a ministry leader, you have the opportunity to help people recognize and deal with their fears so they can experience the freedom and life that Jesus brings.

 Start the conversation young.

When we say everyone experiences fear and failure, we mean everyone. As a family ministries leader, you have the opportunity to talk about how God steps into our fears and failures starting at a young age. Each phase comes with its own set of insecurities and failures, and addressing kids and students right where they’re at will build a foundation that will last into adulthood.

Conversation Starters For Your Church

What would our church/ministry look like in three years if we acted today as though God is truly with us?

What are the personal lies ministry leaders wrestle with? How can we address those in our own staff culture?

What avenues does our church offer for individuals to do the hard work of dealing with failure or uncovering their fears?

Your Hosts

Dave Adamson, The Think Orange Podcast Host


When he’s not working as a pastor at North Point Ministries in Atlanta, Dave is usually making his family cross their arms, roll their eyes, and tap their feet while he takes “just one more quick photo” on family outings. You’ll also often find him up to his neck in “Jewish stuff” as he researches the cultural context of Jesus for his daily Instagram devotions. Learn more about Dave at daveadamson.tv.

Ashley Bohinc, The Think Orange Podcast Host


Ashley serves as the Director of Middle School Strategy at Orange and the USA Director of Carry 117. She has worked with students in public education, athletic and ministry settings for the last 12 years. She is most passionate about resourcing the local church, communicating on stage, developing leaders, working with students and world missions. In her downtime, you’ll find her watching Friends, cheering on the Cleveland Cavaliers, traveling, reading, or on one of her Fairytale Friday Adventures.

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