Today’s episode of the Think Orange Podcast is being aired in memory of Craig Jutila. An integral part of the Orange family, Craig was an advocate of church, family, and ministry, as well as a champion for pastors all across the country. Craig was incredible at leading change and shaping teams, and that’s what he’ll be sharing about today through an interview captured at Orange Conference 2018. After our conversation with Craig, we’re joined by Carey Nieuwhof. Carey provides some profound yet fundamental insights on the correlation of change and mission—and how to communicate change to those you lead.

We hope you enjoy Episode 82 of the Think Orange Podcast.

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Topic Timeline

Information about the Craig Jutila Memorial Fund (1:24)

Reggie Joiner remembers Craig (1:53)

Dave Adamson and Holly Crawshaw interview Craig Jutila at Orange Conference 2018 (3:01)

People are often resistant to change at first because it requires emotional awareness and a plan (5:12)

People support what they help create—if you want to lead leaders, you have to get them on board early in the process (7:29)

Casting vision means staying on the right PATH (Passion, Attitude, Teamwork, and Honor) (8:50)

If your identity is so tied into what you are leading, then the thought that it might fail will be difficult because you’ll see it as equal to your failure (11:06)

When you get pushback, lean in (12:21)

Biblical precedents for deciphering the right timing for instituting change (14:32)

The balance between emotional dysregulation and healthy expression (17:30)

Craig discusses the transition from Saddleback to Venture (18:31)

There’s important value with having your boss on board with any changes you want to make (21:10)

The risk of not enacting change is long-term agony over short-term discomfort (23:05)

What it’s like to lead change in a family context (25:55)

Curiosity is a habit of emotionally healthy parenting (28:34)

If we’re emotionally healthy as parents, we have a much better chance of raising emotionally healthy children (30:37)

Release info for Craig’s book 7 Habits of Emotionally Healthy Parents [See note below in “People, Places & Helpful Resources”] (33:05)

Dave transitions to conversation with Carey Nieuwhof (33:57)

Carey talks about creating discontent out of the potential of your mission (34:45)

Healthy change is brought about by a sense of urgency for your mission (37:21)

When you cast vision, focus twice as much on why you do what you do as you do what and how (39:27)

Communicate the need for change in concentric circles (43:16)
Dialogue with the core
Get input from committed people
Inform the congregation
Cast vision to the crowd
Invite the community

Consensus kills courage—change never happens when everyone has a say (46:13)

We’re attracted to drama in other people’s lives, but we resist it in our own (50:15)

To lead change effectively introduces drama to the church that’s necessary to bring change about (53:00)

Focus on where you’re going, not when you’ll arrive (53:40)

Value experimentation (54:13)

Embrace failure as a step toward progress (55:20)

A lasting appetite for change develops naturally in people and organizations that truly embrace their mission (56:30)

Dave’s final thoughts (57:28)

People, Places & Helpful Resources

Craig Jutila Memorial Fund (

While Craig’s book 7 Habits of Emotionally Healthy Parents has not been released to the market at this time, you can learn more about his ideas on the topic through his YouTube channel or perusing his blog at

Featured Guests

Craig Jutila


Craig Jutila was a family ministries pastor, advocate of church, family, and ministry, as well as a champion for pastors all across the country. He was incredible at leading change and shaping teams. He dreamed of starting a Retreat Center for Pastors who were broken, burned out or just ready to give up, and the Craig Jutila Memorial Fund intends to carry on his dream.


Carey is the founding pastor of Connexus Church and host of the Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast. He is the author of Lasting Impact, and co-author of Parenting Beyond Your Capacity, which he wrote the founder of Orange Reggie Joiner.

Carey Nieuwhof

Quotes from This Episode

Ideas to Influence the Next Generation

Let’s admit it right up front: Change can be frustrating. It’s not always easy—for you and for those you lead. Wise leaders anticipate difficulty. They’re not surprised when they hear statements like, “Yeah, but . . . ” and, “But what about . . . ?”

Don’t be disheartened. Change is often necessary because growth has taken place. Just like a kid can’t stay in their first pair of walking shoes forever, ministries are meant to expand. If you’re leading effectively (and we know you are!), your mission will require shifts to take place.

Conversation Starters For Your Church

On a scale of 1–10, how would you rate your personal desire for change?

What’s a change you’ve wanted to make within your ministry, but have felt uncertain how to carry it out?

Is there a discomfort you’ve felt related to your mission that requires change to progress forward?

In your ministry, who are the people whose approval is necessary before a change can be made? Do you feel this number is too small or too large?

Who are the key people (e.g., a mentor, advisor, or board) that help you pinpoint discomfort and strategize necessary change?

Your Host

Dave Adamson, The Think Orange Podcast Host


When he’s not working as a pastor at North Point Ministries in Atlanta, Dave is usually making his family cross their arms, roll their eyes, and tap their feet while he takes “just one more quick photo” on family outings. You’ll also often find him up to his neck in “Jewish stuff” as he researches the cultural context of Jesus for his daily Instagram devotions. Learn more about Dave at

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