We’ve all heard the joke, “Ministry would be easy if not for the people.” We all have days that can feel frustrating or out of sync—like when you’re overwhelmed by your workload or those on your team aren’t speaking the same language. In those moments we wonder if it might be easier to just go at it alone. But the reality is we need more than just ourselves to accomplish the mission we’ve been given.

In today’s conversations, we hear from Doug Fields and Amber Baker. With a combined 50-plus years of experience leading teams, they share the whys and hows for celebrating and empowering those you’ve been called to lead. Whether you lead a team of staff, volunteers, or students, these techniques will help you grow in your awareness of yourself as a leader, as well as those you’re working with every single day.

Welcome to Episode 80 of the Think Orange Podcast.

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Topic Timeline

K-Daddy shares the importance of letting those you lead know you believe in them (1:23)

Today’s episode brought to us by The Orange Conference (3:22)

Doug Fields talks about the value of people who can lead others well (5:30)

Lead like you want to be led—what do you want from the people who are over you? (8:34)

Every leader is a bundle of strengths and weaknesses (10:49)

Leadership shouldn’t be about comparison (11:08)

Within the church, we need to improve in how we develop people (12:08)

Team-focused leaders give up their pride (14:47)

A spotlight leader puts the attention on others’ accomplishments and successes (15:46)

Team-focused leaders give up perfectionism (16:51)

Team-focused leaders give team members genuine belief (19:27)

Belief is a decision, so remind people occasionally how talented they are (23:27)

Praise in public; criticize in private (24:12)

Sarah Bragg and Dan Scott interview Amber Baker (25:10)

Understanding your team as individuals is important (27:24)

Amber describes the four temperaments of the Real Colors Personality Test (27:51)

The art of getting the most out of every personality type and keeping your team on the same page (32:03)

A foundation of trust is critical for building a dynamic team (34:01)

Having people in the right roles is key to growing your team (35:18)

Tips for hiring and firing well (37:44)

Alignment is a constant, consistent process (39:27)

Advice for leaders whose teams are hanging by a thread (41:42)

How to choose a personality or temperament assessment that’s right for you and your team (43:45)

Dave’s final thoughts (47:18)

People, Places & Helpful Resources

Featured Guests

Amber Baker


Currently Amber is one of the Children’s Pastors at Grace Church of Glendora in Glendora, CA . She loves working with teams, equipping volunteers, empowering parents, and raising kids to be leaders today. Amber Baker has a degree in Christian Ministries and a MA in Organizational Leadership. She’s also a certified Real Colors Temperament Trainer and an Adjunct at Azusa Pacific University. Learn more about Amber at www.amberbaker.me.


Doug Fields is a communicator, author, & consultant. He is the Senior Director of HomeWord’s Center for Youth/Family at Azusa Pacific University, the co-founder of Downloadyouthministry.com, and the author of more than 50 books. More information about Doug is available at www.dougfields.com.

Doug Fields

Quotes from This Episode

Ideas to Influence the Next Generation

In his book The Five Dysfunctions of a Team, Patrick Lencioni says, “Teamwork doesn’t require great intellectual insights or masterful tactics. More than anything else, it comes down to courage and persistence.”

The courage . . .
to consider a viewpoint different from your own.
to have an awkward conversation in order to achieve clarity.
to help team members reconcile when they don’t see eye to eye.

The persistence . . .
to not write someone off based on one mistake.
to meet regularly, even when life gets busy.
to fight for the heart of each individual team member.

Conversation Starters For Your Church

Describe a time someone praised you publicly. What was it for and how did it make you feel?

As you consider your personal leadership style, what are some things you value in those who lead you?

Is there an area of your ministry you’ve been trying to control to the detriment of those you lead? What’s something you can do in the next month to let go of perfectionism in order to empower a future leader?

Who is someone on your team who could use encouragement or a “way to go!” this week?

What’s a step you can take in better understanding the individual personalities of those on your team?

Your Host

Dave Adamson, The Think Orange Podcast Host


When he’s not working as a pastor at North Point Ministries in Atlanta, Dave is usually making his family cross their arms, roll their eyes, and tap their feet while he takes “just one more quick photo” on family outings. You’ll also often find him up to his neck in “Jewish stuff” as he researches the cultural context of Jesus for his daily Instagram devotions. Learn more about Dave at daveadamson.tv.

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