RYM 043: What To Do When It Feels Like Your Senior Leader Doesn’t Care

Sometimes working in youth ministry can feel a little bit like working on an island—as if no one else in your church knows or cares about what’s going on in your ministry. This can be particularly frustrating if the person not caring is your senior leader. This week, join ministry leaders as they have a conversation with Clay Scroggins, Lead Pastor of North Point Community Church, about what it looks like to reengage and reconnect your senior leadership to what’s happening in your youth ministry.

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What advice would you give youth pastors who feel like their senior leaders don’t care? (4:45)

You’re going to have a leader who is either more apathetic or more aggressive. (8:30)

How are you measuring how much your senior leader cares? (11:45)

There’s no such thing as the perfect leader. (12:15)

The more authority you have, the more complicated your job is. (15:00)

Approach your senior leader with the mindset that their job is harder than you think. (18:00)

The heart of leadership is influence. (19:00)

People want to work for people who leverage their influence, not their authority. (20:00)

When you lead with influence and not authority, you become someone who people want to follow. (21:00)

What are you doing today that’s cultivating influence? (25:00)

Most people don’t have enough courage to ask for feedback or to give feedback. (27:00)

Whether your senior leader is paying too much attention to your ministry or isn’t paying enough attention to your ministry, there’s a lot you can learn right now. (36:00)


Book: How to Lead When You’re Not in Charge by Clay Scroggins


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Sarah is a writer and communicator who has been involved in ministry since 2003. In 2007, she joined the XP3 high school team where she now works as a lead writer and content creator. She also a contributing writer to the Parent Cue blog. Sarah lives in Roswell, Georgia, and is a big fan of her husband, her two boys, Asher and Pace, and, in her weaker moments, McDonald’s french fries.



Tom Shefchunas is the Executive Director of Student Strategy at Orange. In this role, he leads the development and strategy for XP3 Middle School and High School curriculum. Previously, Tom was North Point Ministries’ Multi-Campus Director of Transit, their middle school ministry, for 12 years. And before that, he spent 10 years as a high school teacher, coach, and principal. Additionally, he is the co-author of Lead Small with Reggie Joiner. Tom and his wife, Julie, live in Cumming, Georgia, with their three children, Mac, Joey, and Cooper.



Clay Scroggins is the lead pastor of North Point Community Church, providing visionary and directional leadership for all of the local church staff and congregation. Clay works for Andy Stanley and understands firsthand how to manage the tension of leading when you’re not in charge. Clay holds a degree in Industrial Engineering from Georgia Tech as well as a master’s degree and a doctorate with an emphasis in Online Church from Dallas Theological Seminary. He lives in Forsyth County, Georgia, with his wife, Jenny, and their children.

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